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It probably comes as no surprise to you to find out that the Koch Brothers have a vested-interest in opposing meaningful Climate Change legislation -- But did you know that the energy-barron Koch Industries has some big-time help in their mis-information efforts, from a little known guy, by the name of:

Claude R. Lambe  ... say Who?


$24,000,000  Big!  ... according to Greenpeace:


Claude R. Lambe Foundation

The Claude R. Lambe Foundation is the dominant financier of organizations taking a more visible, active role in day-to-day efforts to oppose clean energy and climate policy. The Foundation contributed $11.7 million to climate opposition groups since 2005.

The Board of Directors is comprised entirely of Koch family members, senior Koch executives, and staff who serve Koch foundations:

 -- Richard Fink - President
 -- Logan Moore - Secretary
 -- Vonda Holliman - Treasurer
 -- Charles G. Koch - Director
 -- Elizabeth B. Koch - Director
 -- Elizabeth R. Koch - Director
 -- Charles C. Koch - Director

Year     Total funds provided to front groups
1997     $1,654,875
1998     $1,590,000
1999     $1,374,500
2000     $1,400,000
2001     $1,488,500
2002     $2,099,960
2003     $1,453,320
2004     $1,789,640
2005     $2,720,000
2006     $3,183,030
2007     $3,365,000
2008     $2,439,500

Total     $24,558,325

Total funds given out by the Claude R. Lambe Foundation from 2005-2008:
$11,707,530


So who in the world is Claude R. Lambe, besides a big-ticket financier in the Climate Change Denial campaign?


Well the answer to that, takes just a little bit of digging ... got your shovels?


First a little side trip.  When exploring the inner working of Charitable Foundations, it helps to "Go to the Source".  Since the Koch family is directing the Claude R. Lambe Foundation, maybe their site -- the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation -- will give us a few clues about Lambe ...


Looking at what Foundations say about themselves?  That's always a fun ride.

For instance, Did you know that 'Liberty is a Science'?

And that the "Science of Liberty" can be Trademarked !?

Someone never learned to share "their democracy", or play nicely with others, it seems ...


About: Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation

The Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation was established in 1980 by Charles G. Koch. The mission of the Foundation is to advance social progress and well-being through the development, application, and dissemination of the Science of Liberty™.

History has shown that societies with greater economic freedom have more prosperity and an enhanced quality of life. This observation that a free society is uniquely suited to creating, fostering, and sustaining peace and prosperity is fundamental to the Science of Liberty.

   


OK, that piqued my curiosity.  I like ... "Science" ... I like "Liberty" ...

What is this New Agey concept about?  It seem to be seriously motivating Charles Koch in his Empire building.

Digging a little more, uncovered this little gem ...

Market Process Analysis and the Science of Liberty
Acceptance remarks by Charles G. Koch Chairman and CEO, Koch Industries, Inc.
2005 Herman W. Lay Memorial Award recipient
The Association of Private Enterprise Education
Orlando, Florida -- April 3, 2005

Charles G. Koch:
And that is the subject of my remarks: How to bring about the free society by applying Market Process Analysis and the Science of Liberty®.
[...]

Three sets of experiences over the last 40 years have led me to understand the need for MPA [Market Process Analysis] and, more broadly, the Science of Liberty, to advance the free society:

   1. The lack of success of free-market economists in addressing problems in mixed economies.
   2. Our lack of success in constraining growth in government.
   3. Our success in applying MBM in KII.

[MBM = Market Based Management®  ... Yeah! more Trademarks. Do they have a Franchise opportunity? ]

[KII = Koch Industries, Inc.]


The Science of Liberty -- the study and practice of sustainably advancing liberty to create prosperity and social progress -- involves much more than studying why free societies are wealthy and un-free societies are poor.  
[...]

In MBM, one of the concepts we have used to great benefit is Schumpeter’s theory of creative destruction. Creative destruction and the other concepts taken from MPA guide everything we do.
[...]

Using the same assumptions, we have grown more than 1,400-fold, or 14 times the growth of the market. How?  By developing and applying MBM.

We have found that MBM can work anywhere, even at our ranches.
[...]

With a few exceptions, organizations advocating the free society have failed to apply market concepts internally. During my 40 years in this effort, I’ve constantly been taken aback by market advocates’ lack of recognition that maintaining the status quo results in the loss of effectiveness.


OK, near as I can tell the Science of Liberty® and Market Based Management® has at its mission the Goal of making insane Profits [1400-fold compared to everyone else] using the little-discussed economic principles of "Creative Destruction".

Glenn Beck has been known to advocate for the Creative Destruction of Economies -- but as Beck puts it, Free-Market America is about  "letting people Sink or Swim on their own" ...

Things Go Better with Koch -- so says the Beckster
by jamess -- Jan 15, 2011


I guess "Economically Sinking" (ie. "Drowning") takes care of the Destruction-side of Equation -- "Voodoo Economics" Move Over, there's a new Corporate Scam in Town!


But, Who's going to step in and "Creatively" fill that void left behind?

How about that reclusive Claude R. Lambe guy?  Maybe that's where he fits in.

Maybe HE is putting People, BACK to Work?


Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation

Koch Family Foundations consist of the David H. Koch Foundation, the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, and the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation.
[...]

According to their filings with the Internal Revenue Service (available at guidestar.org), the Koch Family Foundations owned combined assets of more than $60 million in 2001 and gave away $9,071,793, almost all of it to libertarian causes:

 -- The Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation had assets of $31,403,724 and gave away $4,589,825.

 -- The David H. Koch Charitable Foundation had assets of $23,204 and gave away $2,821,022.

 -- The Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation had assets of $29,237,598 and gave away $1,660,946.

Below is a list of recipients listing the cumulative amount, unadjusted for inflation, granted by the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation[1]

1) Cato Institute - $8,450,000
2) Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation - $6,025,375
3) George Mason University - $2,311,149
4) George Mason University Foundation, Inc. - $2,074,893
6) Heritage Foundation, The - $1,004,000
7) Institute for Justice - $1,000,000
8) Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment - $810,000
9) Reason Foundation, The - $642,000
10) Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies, The - $504,000
12) Institute for Humane Studies - $455,000
13) Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy - $385,000
14) Washington Legal Foundation - $350,000
15) Capital Research Center - $340,000
16) Competitive Enterprise Institute - $254,460
20) Ethics and Public Policy Center, Inc. - $190,000
22) National Center for Policy Analysis - $175,000
23) Citizens for Congressional Reform Foundation - $175,000
24) Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, Inc. - $125,000
25) American Legislative Exchange Council - $120,000
26) Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty - $115,000
28) Political Economy Research Center, Inc. - $80,000
29) Media Institute - $60,000
30) National Foundation for Teaching Entrepreneurship - $60,000

[... over 40 more]


WTG! Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation -- your "charitable giving" has "created" quite a "footprint" on the National Dialog stage (a $29 Million dollar imprint) -- ALL without ever leaving the comfort of your chair.

Oh all the Conservative Foundations and Think Tanks that Lambe keeps in Business ... Who says America has an Employment problem, eh Claude?


Thanks to The Heritage Foundation, Tea Party Advocates have something to say, as they go about "Creatively Destroying" America:

Tea Party Talking Points
The Foundry - by Rory Cooper -- Apr 3, 2009

DON’T BORROW, SPEND, AND TAX AWAY OUR FUTURE

The President’s Plan

 -- Blames Bush:
 -- Increases Spending, Again:
 -- Expands Government:
 -- Leaves Deficits:
 -- Cuts Defense:
 -- Puts Government in Charge:

Taxes, Taxes, Taxes

 -- Energy Taxes:
 -- Oil and Gas Taxes:
 -- Excise Taxes:   [Are Excise Taxes really a problem? ]
 -- Death Taxes:
 -- Tobacco Taxes:

There Are Alternatives

 -- A Path to American Prosperity:
 -- Lower Taxes:

Who is Rory Cooper?  

I hope he's paid well for his Tea Party "Talking Point" insights -- Move Over Frank Luntz!

Rory Cooper

Rory Cooper is Director of Strategic Communications at The Heritage Foundation. In this position, Cooper coordinates the think tank’s external message and internal communications, manages its entire digital communications and social media portfolios, and develops new media partnerships. Cooper also serves as the executive editor for The Foundry, the conservative policy news blog at Heritage.


Thanks to the "Reason Foundation", a Libertarian Think Tank, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, now has a "plausible plan" for "Creatively Destroying" a great many Public Sector Careers in his State (aka. State Government Privatization).  Tea Party Governors Kasich, Scott, Walker ARE busy taking Notes.


Thanks to Americans for Prosperity (also on Claude R. Lambe's Benefactor list) and thanks to The Heritage Foundation -- we have a well coordinated plan to "Creatively Destroy" any attempts to build a Clean, Green, Energy Future:

The Koch Brothers Million(s) Dollar effort to Halt Progress
by jamess -- Sep 18, 2010


No worries though, because as David Koch tells the Children, "we have seen worse Climate Changes in the Past" -- he tells us, that the Human Race will "Creatively Adapt".  Climate Change, people?  No Problem!  Be Wealthy, instead.

David Koch on Global Warming: "Don't Worry, Humans will Adapt." Priceless.
by jamess -- Feb 21, 2011


But Back to Claude R. Lambe -- surely there is more to this man than his Charitable Checkbook?

Well according to MediaMatters there is ... much, much more than meets the eye:

Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation

Year    Assets         Revenue         Grants Out         Total Expenses      
2008     $9,970,092     $791,350     $2,560,300     $2,605,564      
2007     $13,031,981     $2,068,931     $4,206,140     $4,311,400      
2006     $16,191,442     $773,585     $4,262,205     $4,338,811      
2005     $18,872,126     $346,874     $3,551,020     $3,869,727      
2004     $21,829,353     $773,841     $2,615,640     $3,187,110      
2003     $23,604,654     $264,598     $2,065,345     $2,470,364      
2002     $25,724,806     -$3,454,725     $2,238,810     $2,653,521      
2001     $29,237,598     -$1,157,573     $1,660,946     $2,119,911      
2000     $34,023,335     $2,875,952     $1,622,000     $2,039,752      
1998     $33,441,753     $7,794,829     $2,096,500     $2,510,532      
1997     $30,871,535     $4,010,582     $2,417,375     $2,726,003      
1996     $27,532,917     $4,183,372     $2,947,325     $3,255,064


OK ...So Claude R. Lambe goes way back to the mid 90's -- But who is he?

Fortunately Charles Koch let it slip way back in 1997 during another one of his famously long boring Libertarian speeches ...


Creating a Science of Liberty
Based on a speech given by Charles Koch
at an Institute for Humane Studies Research Colloquium
January 11, 1997

Charles Koch:
In 1982, the year after Claude Lambe died, WE established the Claude R. Lambe (CRL) Fellowship Program. Claude was a close family friend who left his estate under my care. He had a strong interest in both the free society and young people, so the Fellowship Program seemed a natural.

Finally!


The Answer:  the Claude R. Lambe Foundation is simply another "Front Group" for Koch Industries.  Lambe is a specter, a memory, a cover.  Just another "Death-Tax refugee" who found a good home.

Surprise, Surprise!


Hmmmm!?  "Lambe" ... it does sound innocuous, doesn't it?   Nothing to see here, People ... it's Charity.


Claude R. Lambe a "free market" leader among men -- who's legacy is STILL 'Creative Destroying' the "General Welfare" of America, long after he's gone.


It must come in handy for Koch Industries to have such a Front Group, when they really have to do some "dirty work" to do ... don't you think.  Handy for covering up tracks.

Like in their recent efforts to make the Privatization of America seem ...

Necessary, seem Needed ... to seem Normal.  


Privatization "Talking Points" rationale provided by the Lambe-funded "Reason Foundation".  Seems innocuous enough.  Start Dismantling New Jersey!  Other States, get in line.  

Or better yet, ask the Claude R. Lambe Foundation er, The Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation WHAT THEY, can DO for you. To help make your "Destroying of Public Sector Careers" that much easier.

I'm sure they got a few "Think Tank" studies, they can steer you to, Just ask Ohio Governor Kasich, how helpful Koch Groups they can be.


Afterall the specter of Tea Party anger and rage -- can cover up a multitude of Back-office legislating.  Nice distraction, if you can afford it.

I wonder if Koch Industries will ever "pull" Tea Party Funding once their "play-acting influence", is no longer needed?  

Tell them it's time for them to "sink or swim" ...

Time to "learn to swim with the sharks", or else learn to "become 'fish food'" ?


No worries, They'll Adapt -- or so David Koch will pay somebody, to tell them ...

That's assuming he can find anyone, who really needs the "Creative" Work !?



Updated by jamess at Sun Mar 6, 2011, 04:53:15 PM

A commenter mentions that they still "Don't Know WHO Claude R Lambe is?" -- after reading the Diary.

Which was kind of the point -- his Bio is very hard to track down, given the extent of his lasting influence.  Here if the most "definitive" Bio reference I could find for Mr Lambe:



The Koch Empire and Americans for Prosperity
A CounterPunch Investigation
By PAM MARTENS -- October 19, 2010

Claude Lambe was a real estate developer and insurance broker in Kansas.  He invested in a company formed by Fred Koch in 1934, the Buffalo Oil Corporation.   Lambe’s wife, Pauline, died in 1976;  Lambe died in 1981.  According to a Koch Industries publication, Charles Koch was left in charge of  Lambe’s estate. Charles Koch and his wife, Elizabeth, serve as Directors on the Foundation’s board.  Hopefully,  Lambe wanted to fund all of these right wing causes because that’s what his foundation has been doing since his death.

http://www.counterpunch.org/...


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    you nailed it again, jamess
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    thanks Julie Gulden

    thanks for the support,
    and taking the time.

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    LOL, reminds me of the MASH episode where Radar

    got Colonel Blake to sign off on a pardon for Private Charles Lamb.  Of course, Private Lamb was, in fact, an actual lamb that Radar wanted spared from the Easter dinner table.   And it worked - he hoodwinked Blake and got what he wanted.

    Sadly, the Koch brothers are using Claude Lambe to hoodwink America, and they are getting what they want.

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    it's all in the marketing

    If were not carefully,

    they'll be selling us "beach front" property,

    -- on Greenland before too long.


    thx absdoggy

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    Thanks, jamess. Will pimp this in the current

    Gulf Watchers AUV, where we continue to track the instances, insanity, and corporate funding of our energy policies.

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    thanks DawnN

    appreciate your help,

    getting this story out.

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    I got bad news

    There's two more Koch brothers.  Now William was the one that didn't want a wind farm built near his mansion because it would obscure his view of the ocean. Fred is not that political. They actually sued the other brothers.

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    Why

    Do the Koch Brothers HATE Progress?


    thx, kid funkadelic

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    Are we on our own?

    Or are we all in this together?


    Who Benefits from Privatization?

    Keith Olbermann, Robert Reich

    http://www.youtube.com/...

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    Welcome to the Tea Party's "Privatized" America

    Firefighters Let House Burn Down Over $75

    http://www.youtube.com/...

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    Privatization relieves public officials

    of the obligations that come with their offices.  Also, putting private corporations, whose liabilities are intentionally diffused, with access to the public teat insures their reelection to their prominent positions.

    Our elected officials have learned that extorting votes by threatening retribution (higher taxes) is a much more reliable road to longevity in office than accepting bribes.  That's why the donations of money from the corporations are really minor.  Much more important is that he workers are persuaded/coerced/ forced to vote right.  That's why the unions are being targeted. The unions compete with the employers in getting out the vote.
    Money is an indicator, but it's not the deciding factor.

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    The language these people use

    is positively Orwellian.

    "Creative Destruction"?

    doubleplusungood

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    Indeed that is a great example of Doublethink

    Or Newspeak, as Orwell might put it.

    Big Brother has became a common term for ubiquitous or overreaching authority, and Newspeak is a word we apply to the dehumanizing babble of bureaucracies and computer programs.
    [...]

    We hear Newspeak in every use of the language to manipulate, deceive, to cover harsh realities with the soft snow of euphemism. And every time a political leader expects or demands that we believe the absurd, we experience that mental process Orwell called Doublethink.
    [...]

    What Orwell had done was not to foresee the future but to see the implications of the present -- his present and ours -- and he touched a common chord. He had given words and shapes to common but unarticulated fears running deep through all industrial societies.

    George Orwell was no prophet, and those who busy themselves keeping score on his predictions and grading his use of the crystal ball miss the point. While here he is a novelist, he is also a sharp political essayist and a satirist with a bite not felt in the English language since Jonathan Swift.

    If not  prophecy, what was 1984? It was, as many have noticed, a warning: a warning about the future of human freedom in a world where political organization and technology can manufacture power in dimensions that would stunned the imaginations of earlier ages.


    Preface -- From the 1984 Edition the Novel "1984"
    Written by Walter Cronkite
    http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/...


    Newspeak Dictionary
    http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/...


    "Animal Farm" CONTEXT ANALYSIS -- George Orwell's "Animal Farm"
    ... from 60second Recap®

    http://www.youtube.com/...

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    Only one problem

    I still have no idea who Claude R. Lambe is.

    And the tag abuse, it is annoying. The data and links in the diary are great, top notch. The snarky rhetorical questions making up the bulk of the text in between, not so much.

    Keep trying, though, please. We need this information to be widely available.

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    thank for reading anyways

    I'll keep trying.

    maybe you can point me to some diaries,
    I should aspire to?

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    Sorry; I'm not that organized

    and I would encourage you to find your own way rather than emulate someone else. I will (re)provide two tips, though:

    1) If you ask a question in your title, answer it in the diary.
    2) One sentence paragraphs which include bold text and question marks are okay, but a string of them end-to-end does not present a reasonable discussion of anything.

    Don't forget about the tag abuse thing, too. If you are using more than half a dozen tags on any one diary without very strong reasons, you're making tags less useful, not more useful.

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    thanks for the suggestions the tmax

    I'll keep them in mind as I continue
    develop my many writing voices.

    btw, my various "creative writing styles"
    have netted me 87 Recommended Diaries to date,

    (out of 623 attempted.)

    Not too shabby a "batting average",
    if I were to toot my own horn, I'd say.

    My style must appeal to some audiences, it seems.


    PS. my main goal, is to try to make Learning "Fun" --

    I hate long boring diaries that put the reader to sleep.

    Hopefully my fast-pace snark, avoids that quicksand.

    sometimes anyways, lol.

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    Fine

    Didn't realize you were so touchy. I guess I should have guessed from the immature writing style. My bad.

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    to each their own.

    my style is not everyone.

    I hope you learned something about Lambe, anyways.


    thanks for stopping by
    to critique my work.

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    I learned

    you're a defensive goofball with a decidedly amateur writing style and a childish resistance to improving it.

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    You know for a close near dear family friend

    I can't find one even small tribute or background information about the man Charles R. Lambe for which this foundation is named. There's no website either.

    of theirs, well there's no brief tribute or brief biographical information to him anywhere on Koch Bros Charitable sites or even the Koch Industry historical timeline. The only thing little I found (not on any Koch site) was that he lived in Kansas and died November 14, 1981 and that he was 83 when he passed. Lambe was a real estate developer and insurance broker who invested up with Koch Bros daddy Fred( who actually worked hard and made the millions for his sons to inherit), in the Buffalo Oil Corporation. And that Lambe was married and his wife died several years before him.

    Such a close family friend for whom they established a foundation in his name well...there's no link to Claude Lambe the man behind the charity, anywhere in their official online information that I could find....it's like he such a dear friend that they don't want to associate with now.

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    I foound the same "absence" too emal

    and found it quite odd.


    Initially the focus of this piece,
    wasn't going to be about "Who is Claude Lambe?"

    but rather the Groups his Foundation funds.


    But after about an hour of Research

    -- the Who Question, was becoming much for relevant

    (for a unifying Diary theme, anyways)


    I suspect the real story to that Who Question
    is significant, in more ways, than I was able to discover.
    Perhaps there is some "Dallas JR" storyline, lol?


    thanks for echoing my search results too, emal

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    Oh I get that the Lambe Charitable Foundation

    is really just another Koch Run Front Groups. Plus now I realize when I see that Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation listed on my PBS show, I'll know for certain its Koch's.

    I was just curious who this man was that has such an enormous charity named after him. I mean Koch's were once again lucky enough to inherit this person's significant wealth and run his vast estate. Well one would think they'd give the man some credit and let people know who and what this man was all about and how they were connected ....besides being a dear family friend.

    Oh and I found it interesting that on the Koch Industry website they're fast and furiously disputing many issues, ie Walker connection and phone call, the Jane Mayer Piece, the Frank Rich piece of them, the AFP connection etc...wow they really can't stand all this negative publicity..... keep up the pressure.

    And on that Koch Industry website history timeline, no mention of the Claude R. Lambe connection and investment with daddy Fred...maybe it wasn't such a big milestone, but since they've got a billion dollar charity they run in his name, one would think they'd put a line in about it there....you know...one would think.

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    Love data...

    ... and links to more data.

    Thanks. The Koch path leads to ALEC and posting on that very soon. Will link to this for the Lambe reference.

    Not the sexy stuff to a lot of people, but the facts that drive investigations.

    Tip: if you google ["Form 990" and "Charles G. Koch"] and some of these others you can get to the original scans of the docs that are required to the IRS. That can really help if you are tracking a particular individual or org.

    There is also guidestar.org which is a pay site. But using that string you can find your own.

    Nice work.

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    thanks for the feedback Hector Solon

    I dread researching these long boring pieces,
    almost as much as I dread writing them, lol.

    But I think its important to "get the info out there" too.

    To let other folks, try to connect the dots.

    Thanks to for drilling into the "extra links" too.

    Its a lot of effort to pull those together,
    but I think it helps to make a diary
    more "hot linkable" for future reference.

    thanks for the search tips too.
    appreciate it.

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    That's the real...

    ... work, don't worry your stuff will float and be used.  Never can tell, some of our target pieces are still front page g-hits 5 yrs later - 10 comments.

    Just flipped up our longest, most boring piece ever on ALEC, and will no doubt circle back on old Claude and see if he is in this evil too.

    But it's important. Drive the information and real data and usable dots. Kos isn't just for longer tweets.

    PS If you are going down this hole track the 'Form 990' and read Clarkson.

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    Am wondering if someone

    should look further into the Claude R. Lambe Foundation.  If what Charles Koch has said is true, Lambe would have defined the purpose of the trust in his will.  If intent and/or intended beneficiaries aren't being followed, Koch can be sued for mishandling.

    As you pointed out, there's a dearth of information on the prominent Claude Lambe.  (Easier to run down is Pauline Lambe's family.)    

       

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    good questions Marie

    I hope somebody does.

    are will public records?

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    A copy of his will would

    be in his probate file.  Would require legwork to run that file down, but it is a public record.

    Based on C. Koch's statement, I would guess that he wasn't the executor of Lambe's estate.  And only the stock in one of the Koch family companies was distributed to him to manage for charitable purposes.

    The millions of dollars that have been run through this foundation suggests a benefactor of substantial means who would have carefully considered how his wealth were used and who best to manage it.  My wild-ass guess is that the non-tradeable stock was of little value and only the Koch brothers could purchase it and a price they determine.  A rather nice vehicle to do more than mask their financial support for right-wing nuts.

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