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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:51 AM Original message |
Citigroup's Shocking 'Plutonomy' Reports |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. Even the rich are surprised we don't fight back!! |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. When they feel they have nothing left to lose. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
32. Revolution |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. Very soon, when the Middle Class is thrown into poverty |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. you think that a middle class exists? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
66. McCain set the boundary at 5 million/yr. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. Cause they scare people with all the crazy shit we are hearing on a |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
48. We do have a simple rebelion option ... all that is required is SOLIDARITY |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. Has there ever been a reasonable rebellion? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #48 |
87. You make a good point... |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #87 |
115. RE: "Right now, I've got a leaky water heater " |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
70. Never, and they know it |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 06:38 AM Response to Reply #70 |
81. Can we please lay off the "watching TV" theme for once? It's not like DU doesn't have TV threads. |
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MorningGlow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #81 |
91. It is a valid point, however |
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riverbendviewgal (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
78. Howard Zinn wrote of this |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #78 |
95. "the rich use the middle class as a buffer between the poor and them." |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
88. Even the rich can't believe their propaganda has worked this good for this long. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Disturbing on so many levels, particularly |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 05:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
75. It's simply BS. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 07:00 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Fasttense brings up some vital points... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #75 |
86. I think I can tell you why. Sadly. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #75 |
108. 6.7 billion people on the planet, 300 million Americans |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. An Excellent Analysis, Ma'am, Reminiscent Of Herr Kautsky Describing Imperial Rome |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Such was France's economy structured from Louis XIV to the Third Republic. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Indeed, Sir, the Pattern Is A Common Enough One |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #6 |
71. Perhaps that is why they belittle the Arts & Science education |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. It is the destruction of Republican Rome's middle class of free farmers that destroyed the Republic. |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
69. kick nt |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
5. Kept tellin' you all that Citigroup is a criminal enterprise. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. They were the ones who petitioned the hardest for the repeal of Glass Steagal |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. This is long winded but it shows how much clout Citi possesses |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. Fucking BASTARDS!!! |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
74. I think you should dig up more info on that. I believe you- it's just like a |
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ThePantaloon.com (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Fuck Citibank |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. How can Citigroup be blamed for telling the truth? |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. because they lobbied hard for repeal of Glass-Steagall |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Glass-Steagall has nothing to do with plutonomy |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #52 |
111. Glass-Steagall had a lot to do with protecting the middle class |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #111 |
128. You're really reaching here |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Unfortunately.. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Bullshit |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. How much has Obama raised... |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. So who do you think deserves most of the blame for that? |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. The Democrats we have right now.. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Give me a break |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Deleted message |
MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Your childish name calling speaks volumes about you |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Just under 5% and that nearly caused a revolution |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #59 |
102. But won't that increase when Bush's Tax Cuts for the rich expire in 2010? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 07:27 AM Response to Reply #49 |
84. enough to pass them. twice. that's all it takes. the others don't have to vote |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #84 |
93. "enough" /= 99% |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #93 |
119. if 1 vote is all that's needed to pass it, why would more go on record with an unpopular vote? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Follow the thread backwards |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. non-seq |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. That's been your problem all along |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. i don't have a problem. yours is you want to pretend dems don't collude in the ruling |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Oh yes, only the dyed in the wool card carrying Marxists have the one and only true answer |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. Hence my invocation of the guillotine. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
8. I can't believe they were stupid enough to put this in writing |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Never underestimate the stupidity of Citi. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. They are in the most trouble of all the banks |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
89. Probably not stupidity but arrogance. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
9. A rich man has only one vote unless you sell him yours. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. As we saw with the town hall meeting disruptors, there are plenty of sheep willing to do that. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Fear |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Well said.. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 03:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
73. "A rich man has only one vote unless you sell him yours" |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #73 |
110. I beleive that this is what Sherlock Holmes refered to as ... |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
85. anecdotal evidence |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
109. Keep in mind the difference between ownership and control |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
123. but they have most of the money. |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
14. All the more reason to discredit Acorn: |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
15. Hey...the report gives out e-mail addresses!! |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
16. One inevitable result from Plutonomy is national ignorance and |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
17. There is only one way to stop this. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. is silk strong enough to make nooses? |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Spider silk is stronger than steel. (nt) |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
22. Here's the fundamental reality that many on DU (and everywhere else) can't fathom |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Yep, it's the "L" curve at work... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. One could make the income tax more progressive. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. It's far deeper than that |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. As it stands, there is a FICA cap on income roughly over 100,000. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. That's exactly what I'm suggesting |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #42 |
124. The boomers are mostly all dead by 2040. & the mid-range SS forecasts you |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. I don't think that's what's going on here. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I didn't say most, I said many |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #43 |
103. Accumulation of capital as a means of earning a living is, itself, one of the prime causes of |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #103 |
130. Interesting theory |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
60. It's worse than that MC |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. The only wealth tax I can really get behind is an inheritance tax |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
64. The Capital Gains tax needs a huge hike. Or it needs to be considered income and included in the |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #64 |
96. It is considered income, it's just a "special" type of income |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
133. That sounds to me like a good solution, on the surface. (nt) |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
90. +1, tax wealth more, wage income less. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #22 |
97. It's that tried and true tactic - divide and conquer. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
116. What is the top bracket when Bush's tax cut expires? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #116 |
126. approximately the rates of the clinton admin. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
25. As long as the super-rich have enough men with guns to protect them, then |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. They have enough now...but if the shit really flies they will never have enough.... |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. We gotta start catapulting some shit then! nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
26. Time to take these arrogant fuckers to the guillotine! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Deleted message |
Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
47. bookmarked. K&R |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
50. bookmarked. K&R |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
54. K&R |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
62. "The Family" by Jeff Sharlet talks about those people. They make no bones |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
63. We could dust off a guillotine for the let them eat cake set. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
67. Plutonomy....what a crock of shit!! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 02:25 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. The arguments presented in the Citigroup memo are bit persuasive. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #67 |
94. They are saying that "we" aren't in a recession. Meaning, "we plutocrats" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
68. Top 10% get 25% of income, top 20% get 40%. Bottom 80% get 60%, some in transfer payments. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #68 |
104. Numbers are a bit off, I just looked them up a few days ago and the top 1% takes over 30%, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #104 |
120. pre-tax. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #68 |
114. Gini index |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
76. Plutonomy + Republiconism |
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Danascot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
77. Relevant OpEd from today's NYT |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #77 |
92. How suprising. Possessing $1.3 trillion, the wealthy might have bailed themselves out. |
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voteearlyvoteoften (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 06:14 AM Response to Original message |
79. Saw Moores flick last night |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
80. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #80 |
98. Not only do they keep us pacificed, they've successfully branded |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 07:01 AM Response to Original message |
83. Once again, thank-you Michael Moore. Great film exposing amazing corruption. nt |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
99. They have successfully devised a system |
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2 Much Tribulation (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
100. I recommend this post, the poster, & M. Moore's movie! (whether one agrees, or not) nt |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
101. K&R |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
105. K&R |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
106. K&R |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
107. kick for later reading... |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
112. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #112 |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
113. i think homer simpson said it best...........DOH! |
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131. When was this initially leaked? How did the corporate media ignore it for so long? |
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132. K & R |
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